Showing posts with label John Piper. Show all posts
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Thursday, February 2, 2012

Divorce and Remarriage - Part 3

On day one we looked at Luke 16. Yesterday we looked at a number of Scriptures to continue to discover a Biblical Theology of Divorce and Remarriage. Today we'll look specifically at remarriage and critique some faulty conclusions others have made.


The Biblical View of Divorce and Remarriage -- Part 3


What about remarriage? Truthfully the Bible doesn't say nearly as much about remarriage. I'm not sure why. Nonetheless, the fact remains that little is said of it. We know that if a person's spouse dies, the survivor is free to remarry (1Cor 7:39). We can say for certainty that if the divorce is NOT Biblical, then the two are not free to be remarried except to each other (Matt 19:9). However, nothing concrete and clear is said of those who are left after a Biblical divorce.

Brothers and Sisters, where Scripture is silent, we must be as well. Now it is a generally accepted throughout Christian history that remarriage after a Biblical divorce is not forbidden nor sinful. After all, Jesus says "except sexual immorality" in Matt 19:9, and Paul says "a (believer) is not under bondage" in 1Cor 7:15. Not under bondage means, well, NOT UNDER BONDAGE. Certainly it's a reasonable position, even admitting that we lack a concrete passage dealing with remarriage save for 1Cor 7:39. Many great expositors and students of Scripture have taken this position.

John Piper takes a different position. I pause to take a deep breath, and look on in horror as I am forced once again to disagree with Piper, whom I admire and appreciate as a great brother in the Lord. One of these days I'm going to write a tribute to John Piper because he has had an indelible influence on my life and I'm tired of taking him to task. He's right way more often than he's wrong and when he is wrong it is infrequent and on secondary matters.

At any rate, Piper wrote this paper. With all due respect, he's wrong.

I won't pick apart his paper piece by piece, but I will take a few things he says here and show you good examples of eisegesis. Eisegesis is when you inject a meaning into Scripture instead of allowing Scripture to speak for itself and determine it's own meaning.

Take, for example his deconstruction of Matthew 19:
"Before we jump to the conclusion that this absolute statement should be qualified in view of the exception clause ("except for unchastity") mentioned in Matthew 19:9, we should seriously entertain the possibility that the exception clause in Matthew 19:9 should be understood in the light of the absolute statement of Matthew 19:6, ("let no man put asunder") especially since the verses that follow this conversation with the Pharisees in Mark 10 do not contain any exception when they condemn remarriage."
Later he says:
"I began, first of all, by being troubled that the absolute form of Jesus' denunciation of divorce and remarriage in Mark 10:11,12 and Luke 16:18 is not preserved by Matthew, if in fact his exception clause is a loophole for divorce and remarriage. I was bothered by the simple assumption that so many writers make that Matthew is simply making explicit something that would have been implicitly understood by the hearers of Jesus or the readers of Mark 10 and Luke 16.
Would they really have assumed that the absolute statements included exceptions? I have very strong doubts, and therefore my inclination is to inquire whether or not in fact Matthew's exception clause conforms to the absoluteness of Mark and Luke."
For one thing, as I said in part 1, we can not look to Luke 16 as an authoritative Scripture on divorce and remarriage in light of the fact that it was not the thrust of Jesus' point in Luke 16. Mark 10, however, is different and much like the need for reconciliation between Matt 19 and Luke 16, we must also reconcile Matt 19 and Mark 10.

I have a problem with Piper's reconciliation because he is writing a portion of Scripture out of Matthew by essentially erasing it by saying it must conform to Mark 10. Rather, a better handling of Scripture would be to say that Mark 10 leaves some things unsaid, and Matthew 19 says those things. That way BOTH portions of Scripture can say all they need to say and are harmonized perfectly. Pipers method requires an eraser. My method requires a reverence for all of Scripture.

Piper makes some conclusions at the end of his paper and says the following:
"In the New Testament the question about remarriage . . . it is determined by the fact that:

Marriage is a "one-flesh" relationship of divine establishment and extraordinary significance in the eyes of God (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Mark 10:8),
Only God, not man, can end this one-flesh relationship (Matthew 19:6; Mark 10:9—this is why remarriage is called adultery by Jesus: he assumes that the first marriage is still binding, Matthew 5:32; Luke 16:18; Mark 10:11),
God ends the one-flesh relationship of marriage only through the death of one of the spouses (Romans 7:1-3; 1 Corinthians 7:39),
The grace and power of God are promised and sufficient to enable a trusting, divorced Christian to be single all this earthly life if necessary (Matthew 19:10-12,26; 1 Corinthians 10:13),
Temporal frustrations and disadvantages are much to be preferred over the disobedience of remarriage, and will yield deep and lasting joy both in this life and the life to come (Matthew 5:29-30)."

Let's take him point by point, shall we?

1. "Marriage is a "one-flesh" relationship of divine establishment and extraordinary significance in the eyes of God."

This is true. However, to be fair to Scripture, there are instances where this one-flesh relationship ends. If it being one flesh meant that it were always to remain that way, then 1Cor 7:15 and 1Cor 7:39 would be out of place. So while the statement is true, it is limited.


2. "Only God, not man, can end this one-flesh relationship —this is why remarriage is called adultery by Jesus: he assumes that the first marriage is still binding"

Not so. In a 1Cor 7:15 situation, did God end the marriage or did the unbelieving spouse? Is the believer under bondage?


3. "God ends the one-flesh relationship of marriage only through the death of one of the spouses."

While it's true that He does end it that way, by His word he also allows for other endings. Again, you can't erase Jesus' word in Matt 19 or in Matt 5 simply because the statement was incomplete in Mark 10 or Luke 16. You also can't say that Jesus is placing a bondage on those in marriage with Mark 10 and Luke 16 and say that 1Corinthians 7 is wrong to say that a believer is not under bondage.


4. "The grace and power of God are promised and sufficient to enable a trusting, divorced Christian to be single all this earthly life if necessary"

No argument here.


5. "Temporal frustrations and disadvantages are much to be preferred over the disobedience of remarriage, and will yield deep and lasting joy both in this life and the life to come"

And here is where I have my biggest problem. Piper, and those who agree with him, are taking a poor interpretation and poor handling of Scripture and turning it into a burden on their Biblicaly divorced brothers and sisters. They are putting on them a yoke that they put on no other group and a yoke that is not put on them by Scripture.

Piper has to write an entire position paper in which he ignores parts of Scripture to come to this conclusion. No one can point to a scripture or passage that deals with remarriage in a way that he concludes. Rather, the texts must be massaged and compromised in some cases, to come to his conclusion.

No, divorce for flippant and stupid reasons is not Biblical. One can certainly be sure that remarriage in those cases is exactly what Piper and his compadres are claiming it is. But they cannot ignore Scripture nor can they make a rule where Scripture does not.

Treating Matt 5 and Matt 19 on their own, letting them speak for themselves plainly, we see a clear exception. The same is true for 1 Corinthians 7. This cannot be ignored even if other passages do not have the same clauses. The best interpretation of these passages, without doing them harm, is to take them at their word.

There are exceptions to divorce and the subsequent remarriage clauses that follow are also subject to those exceptions. God has shown tremendous grace to believers in those circumstances and our attitude ought to reflect this grace. We ought to be like Christ and make exception where He does. Moreover, there is a lack of clear teaching dealing directly and solely with remarriage in the circumstances of Biblical divorce. Scripture is silent.

We should take the hint.

In closing, I'd like to beg you, my dear readers, to pray and help my fellow divorced believers. Especially those who are also single parents. It is a lonely place to be. One thing I was struck by when I began being social again after my own marriage fell apart was that modern American Churches are overwhelmingly geared toward families. I often felt out of place, misunderstood, and as if I was falling through the cracks. For me, there were long times of despair and sadness. I thought that no woman would ever understand or want me again. I questioned whether God wanted me.

I'm happy to report that God's grace is amazing. I remain a single man, but I am, thankfully, past the initial stages of depression. Others, however, never find their way out. Single parents and divorced believers need our affection and love. They need to be cared for and helped. They need to see Christ's care for them manifested in His people. The last thing they need is an additional burden not found in Scripture. Yes, many of them will remain single and scarred, but some will not. After these past few days, I hope that you'll see that in some cases, that is a good thing and an occasion to praise God with our divorced brethren, not an occasion for rebuke.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2012

John Piper does the right thing

Good for John Piper!

Formerly I listed Lectio Divina as a third system for prayer. I've since removed it for the confusion it has caused. We do not endorse contemplative spirituality.
I think that when someone makes a mistake and then does the right thing to make that mistake right and repent ought to be pointed out with the same vigor that the mistake was pointed out.

I'm happy to have John Piper back on my list of go to guys.

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Saturday, January 21, 2012

Random Crazy Stuff - II

Good day all!

  • Love this song:




  • Lots of good stuff from Cripplegate lately. A post on the Millennial Kingdom, this longer article on bad leadership, and this review that supports my viewpoint on hermeneutics that I expressed in the mini-series we just went through on this blog.

  • Vox Day points out that Mitt Romney is in the bag for the big banks that want to rule over us all. He's also happy to point out what I've said all along; that this race is between Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. He's also a lot more blunt than I would ever be.

  • In more happy government news, it seems that we can finally get rid of all those pesky pro-life activists! YAY! Let's vote for more NEO-CONS who propose this kind of thing! And then there is this delightful monstrosity.

  • By the way:



    Just sayin'. . .

  • Christianity Astray. . . err. . . TODAY doesn't think we should spank. Here is a good response. Here is a better response.

  • In all seriousness, we can rejoice over the closing of one of America's oldest abortion clinics in Rockford IL. Here is the bizarre story of the shenanigans the pro-aborts would resort too told by those who worked to close it down. (No, I don't support the false religion of Catholicism in any fashion, they just happen to have the story.)

  • George Barna is endorsing Newt. Here is more info. It's time to stop listening to George Barna. From his stubborn beliefs in home churches to his ridiculous endorsement of Newt, Barna has ceased to be reliable.

  • Unfortunately, John Piper is getting there too. I'm sad to announce that I've removed John Piper from my recommended resources.

    UPDATE: A reader pointed out to me that John Piper has relented and published an apology for endorsing the Lectio Divina. You can read what he says here. Look, everyone makes mistakes. John Piper made a mistake and has repented for it. Good enough for me. Glad to have John Piper back on board.

  • Finally, we have this amusing story about Ed Young Jr. Chris Rosenberg had some hilarious tweets regarding this. Seriously, I don't wish Ed any harm, but I do hope he learned his lesson.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010

An Open Letter to John Piper

"Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?" -- (1Cr 5:6 NKJV)

"A little leaven leavens the whole lump." -- (Gal 5:9 NKJV)


Dear Mr. Piper,

First and foremost, let me make one thing clear: I do not, as some regrettably have, now regard you as a "heretic", "false prophet", "false teacher", etc. In my opinion, judging only from the fruit I can see in your life, including your ministry, combined with the confession of faith you have made, I regard you a brother in the the Lord. It is within that context that I write to you.

Mr. Piper, your decision to invite Rick Warren to your upcoming Desiring God conference is a mistake on many levels. I am hoping in writing this that you will reconsider your decision and withdraw your invitation to Mr. Warren.

Mr. Warren is, to put it in the best light possible, troubled in his walk with God, and to judge him more strictly, a heretic. Two brothers may disagree on Mr. Warren's eternal state, but at the very least all should agree that Mr. Warren's views and actions are far outside the boundaries of orthodoxy. His gospel, despite his claims to the contrary, is a gospel without repentance. John MacArthur (and Wretched TV) agrees:



His gospel, despite his claims to the contrary, is a gospel of works. See for yourself:





His theology is man exalting and God abasing (instead of the opposite). Again, see for yourself:




Because of Rick Warren and his principles, scores of churches and much of Christianity is preaching a Gospel of what God can do to make the unbeliever more comfortable in their rebellion, instead of calling the unbeliever to repentance and a correct relationship with God. Mr. Warren rejects Biblical preaching, opting instead to make the Church a self help center, an entertainment venue, and a life enhancement seminar all rolled into one.

Mr. Piper, the multiple reasons I call this decision a mistake are as follows:

1. You are turning a blind eye to Mr. Warren's actions, and accepting his "file cabinet theology" as good enough.

I mean this in no way to be offensive, sir, and in every way to simply be truthful; your video response to the critics of this move was pathetic.



You begin by saying that you spoke with Mr. Warren over the telephone and asked him questions. As a friend remarked to me upon hearing your explanation, "Statements of faith mean nothing. It's what you do with that statement of faith that has meaning." I would point you to Joel Olsteen's Church as an example. Frankly sir, I could sign onto Mr. Olsteen's statement of faith. Yet, none of us would argue that the problem with Mr. Olsteen is his stated theology. The same is true of Mr. Warren.

Those of us who are critical of your decision are not interested in how well Mr. Warren can answer a question, nor are we concerned with if he passes Theology 101. The problem with Mr. Warren isn't necessarily with his stated theology, although it is difficult to sort out what he really believes in his multiple contradictory statements, but rather the problem is Mr. Warren's actions.

2. You go on in your video to state that separatism is a very important thing to understand. I would submit to you, Mr. Piper, that Christian's ought to separate from those who want to accomplish something different than bringing people to a right relationship with God. Mr. Warren's principles talk about everything BUT the most important thing in life, which is that man is in need of a Savior.

Behold, sir, what Mr. Warren's ideas hath wrought!

Are you interested, Mr. Piper, in improving the unregenerate person's sex life? Are you interested in making them believe you are hip and cool? Are you interested, sir, in "Opening a can of Woop Bass" or "P(r)imping your Mom", two of the manifestations of the application of Mr. Warren's principles?

I would say Mr. Piper, judging from your life's commitment to the truth of Scripture, that you most certainly are not.

3. Mr. Warren embraces the Purpose Driven nonsense that his principles have produced, and therefore it cannot be said that he did not intend the Purpose Driven nonsense to turn out as it did. As an example, The Jonas Brothers are playing worship music this Easter Sunday at Angel Stadium as Saddleback church attempts to break the all time world record for most baptisms.

Mr. Warren has made his church into a purpose driven, seeker sensitive, self help center and entertainment complex. Would you allow Bethlehem Baptist Church to become such a place? Mr. Piper, surely you can see this foolishness as plainly foolish.

4. You are associating your principles, your name, your ministry, and your church with Mr. Warren's apostasy. You have given the world, and those critical of reformed theology, a beach head to launch their assaults. Each and every time we are forced to endure another failed attempt at cultural relevance, or a vapid and weak gospel presentation in an attempt to be "purpose driven", it can be said (although perhaps unfairly) that John Piper agrees with these things.

5. You are forcing the fellow speakers at your conference to make a difficult decision. You are putting the people at your conference, who are forced to share a stage with Mr. Warren, in the unsavory position of A) Condemning Mr. Warren at your conference B) Showing unity and agreement with Mr. Warren or C) Canceling their attendance at this conference.

It is an undue burden you place on good men. Please don't make them make such a decision.

7. Your reasons for inviting Mr. Warren are faulty. In this video you explain what made you want to invite Mr. Warren to begin with.



You say "I want you (Mr. Warren) to come . . . come tell us why thinking Biblically matters to you in your amazingly pragmatic approach to ministry. . . I want him to tell us what makes him tick.":

Mr. Piper, the man has written many books. If you want to know what makes the man tick, then read his books. If that doesn't satisfy your curiosity, then call the man up and talk to him until your heart is content. Otherwise, shall we to infer that the Desiring God Conference is to serve the purpose of satisfying your own curiosity? The conference, which thousands of people will attend and look too for growth in their walks with the Lord, is not the time or the place for you to find out what makes a particular apostate man "tick".

Additionally, sir, your account of meeting Mr. Warren at Ralph Winter's funeral shows evidence that your enchantment with Mr. Warren is built on shallow ground. You like the man because he sings and sings badly? I am astonished sir that you would even consider something so asinine as a reason for liking someone.

Can you not see, Mr. Piper, what an ear tickler Mr. Warren is? Is not his name dropping of reading the works of Jonathon Edwards suspicious in and of itself? Does it not strike you, as it strikes many of us, that Mr. Warren is selling you a bill of goods, telling you something he knows you will like to hear? Mr. Piper, your initial astonishment over Mr. Warren's reading material is the correct response. As you yourself so aptly point out, nothing in Mr. Warren's life or ministry would cause us to believe that he has any regard or value for the teaching of Jonathon Edwards. Why then, would you want such a man to come to your conference? Be honest, sir, would you like the average Christian in today's society to have the attitudes and principles of Jonathon Edwards, or Rick Warren? The answer, for those who love God and His Word, is obvious.

However, let us suppose that Mr. Warren is reading Jonathon Edwards this year. So what? Many atheists have read your works, should we value their principles? Satanists read the Bible, should we invite them to our conferences to teach Christians seeking to grow in the knowledge and love of God? As Paul would say; CERTAINLY NOT!

You say in your video "I do think he's (Mr. Warren) deeply theological. He's a brilliant man. He wouldn't have the church he does, or the peace plan, or all the influence he does. . . "

Do you honestly believe that Mr. Piper? Shall we say the same thing about Benny Hinn or Joel Olsteen? They certainly have as much or more influence as Mr. Warren does. They have as many books and plans as Mr. Warren, and their followings and churches are just as large. Barrack Obama is arguably the most influential man in America, perhaps even the world. Are we to believe he is "deeply theological" as well?

I know you are well aware that a man's influence and life is not indicative of how closely he follows God. I write these things to remind you of that belief, and to ask you to adhere to it, not be swooned by a clever deceiver salesman such as Rick Warren.

8. There are far better speakers to invite. John MacArthur, Phil Johnson, Alistair Begg, Ray Comfort, Todd Friel, Justin Peters, Doug Phillips, Ken Ham, Paul Washer, Roy Moore. Any of these fine men can make compelling and interesting presentations that can edify a believer and give opportunity for growth.

You can do better than Mr. Warren.

Mr. Piper, in closing, I want to stress that although I have taken your decision to task, I have the utmost respect for you, your teachings, and your ministry. God has used you mightily! I firmly believe that you may go down in history as one of Christianity's great teachers. I support you, and support the good things you continually do to bring people to Christ, and to help them grow in their knowledge and faith.

But I cannot support THIS decision. Many like me feel the same way. We cannot support it because it is wrong. We cannot support it because we choose not to be unequally yoked with darkness. And most importantly, we cannot support it because it defames the Gospel.

Please Mr. Piper, withdraw your invitation and publicly denounce Rick Warren's principles and beliefs. For the sake of the Gospel, and your ministry.

Sincerely in Christ, and in His love,

Jason Marianna
"That Crazy Christian"

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